"Chaos and Violence" Again Closes Carnival Early

For the second time this year, trouble at the carnival at the Hamden Mart, including assaulting a homeless man and intimidating an elderly woman, leads to it shutting down early.


For the second time this year, trouble at a the carnival that took place over the weekend at the Hamden Mart led to its closing down early, according to police.

At about 8 p.m. Saturday night, police got a report of a large group of teenager gathering at the site of the carnival, according to police spokesman Capt. Ronald Smith. The carnival was located in the parking lot next to Taco Bell.

"Upon arrival, officers observed nearly 200 teens gathering in the area of the Hamden Mart," Smith said in a release Tuesday. "Officers received reports that the large group, a majority who were on bicycles, were impeding traffic by blocking the path of motorists. Members of the large group had allegedly surrounded the vehicle of an elderly female resident."

The woman was "visibly shaken," Smith said, but did not want to file a formal complaint. Officers escorted her from the area, he said.


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Soon after there were numerous fights breaking out throughout the area of the Mart and the Hamden Plaza, Smith said, including one where a large group attacked a homeless man near Kohls. Officers were later unable to find the victim, Smith said.

Because of all the problems, police decided to shut down the carnival early, Smith said. 

"Due to the chaos and violence, the carnival closed early at 9 p.m.," Smith said.

The same thing happened when the carnival came to town earlier this year.

Thomas Alegi October 03, 2012 at 02:16 AM
Dan you wrote, "I was beaten with a hairbrush and spatula." Dan, I hope you are just spoofing about your beatings. If not Dan, have you ever contemplated the permanent harm these beatings you have spoken about may have caused you, in your life?
JM October 03, 2012 at 02:37 AM
i say get rid of the carnivals, who the heck inspects those rides anyway. not to mention the looks of some of their employees
Kirsten M. Walker October 03, 2012 at 11:18 AM
I think the time has gone by for these types of carnivals. Long gone is the day when carnivals came to you, or you'd never experience one. Now there are Six Flags and other similar theme parks. The violence and unrest that occurs in large public gatherings, that's another issue entirely.
Don Charles October 03, 2012 at 01:01 PM
Not a stupid reply at all. Put them where they belong and let them kill themselves as they have been doing. It's time the carnival left the Hamden shopping area.
Don Charles October 03, 2012 at 01:04 PM
Dan put your kids to sleep. Hell you have been asleep almost all of your life and your posts prove this. Have pleasant dreams.
LINDA October 03, 2012 at 03:07 PM
This is second time problems have occured with these carnivals. I agree you will only get gangs of black teenagers on bike looking for trouble. This is not being racial either so I don't want anybody claiming that. I drove through there early Sat night and all you saw going in that direction was groups walking towards that area. I go to shop there I don't need to worry about who will try and rob me as I drive through. Put carnival in New Have where it belongs or Police in this town need to start using rubber bullets or tear gas to disburse them. Maybe they will know we mean business here and will not tolerate that kind of behavior.
Linda C October 03, 2012 at 06:29 PM
Fortunately I was never beaten, I was however constantly threatened with the Old Wooden Spoon punishment. All mom had to do was rattle the draw and we fell in line. Beatings aside, the one thing we did have that isn't present in today's youths was RESPECT!!! So to add yet another youth program is ridiculous and YES WOULD RAISE MY TAXES!!! It's bad enough that we now provide FREE daycare before and after school, as well as 3 meals a day. No I do not begrudge a hungry child, I do however begrudge having to use tax dollars to take care of children who's parents JUST CAN'T BE BOTHERED! We didn't have tons of options to amuse us when we were growing up and guess what - WE NEVER BEAT ANYONE, KILLED ANYONE, ROBBED ANYONE OR COMMITTED ANY OTHER ILLEGAL ACT! We had VALUES, MORALS, POSITIVE PARENTING, and FEAR OF GOD!!! We as a town and Nation need to start holding the PARENTS responsible for the lack of involvement in their kids lives outside of the home. You DON'T DEPRIVE AN ENTIRE TOWN of summer fun for fear of those committing criminal acts. Some families today CAN'T AFFORD A $100 TRIP TO 6 FLAGS and these little carnivals might be all these kids can enjoy! So what we need to do is ARREST THESE KIDS!!! Hold them as well as their PARENTS LEGALLY ACCOUNTABLE. I DON'T CARE WHAT COLOR THESE KIDS ARE - THIS IS MY TOWN AND I WON'T GIVE IT UP SO EASILY!!!
The Milk Man October 03, 2012 at 08:55 PM
"They should have arrested them or taken them in to scare the crap out of them" - You're kidding right Pam? You really think that will prevent further behavior - may have when we were young because our parents would have kicked our butts - now, being arrested is a badge of courage for these poor underprivledged kids.
The Milk Man October 03, 2012 at 09:00 PM
You go girl! It is what it is.
Pam October 03, 2012 at 11:37 PM
How will that solve the problem? They are targeting innocent people
Pam October 03, 2012 at 11:39 PM
Actually the police couldn't really do anything in the elderly woman's case because she didn't want to file a complaint.
Pam October 03, 2012 at 11:46 PM
At MilkMan, you never know. It might scare some of the kids. And the parents would have to pick them up and it would wake some of the parents up to the fact their kid is hanging out with the wrong crowd. A lot of parents have to work and don't know what their children are doing while they are at work.
Pam October 03, 2012 at 11:49 PM
The elderly woman didn't want to press charges against the kids that surrounded her car. So the police really couldn't do anything.
Pam October 04, 2012 at 12:09 AM
Maybe you or I never beat, robbed or committed those crimes when we were kids, but I'm sure there were quite a few. Hell there were fights all the time in Hamden High when I was there. The year I graduated ('83) they started having police officers there all day. Remember back then they didn't put as much on the tv news and in news[apers as they do now. There also weren't as many local newspapers and there wasn't the internet to get more news. Now if someone gets a hangnail its on the news. Back then ratings weren't as big as they are now. You can now find more local stories on the internet from sites such as this.
Pam October 04, 2012 at 12:17 AM
No you are wrong about committing any illegal acts. Lots of kids smoked pot and had keg and yuk yuk parties in the late '70s early eighties. I used to over hear classmates talking about yuk yuk and keg parties in jr high school. Back in the '70s there were a couple murders at the circle in west rock park and always parties there. lots of fights between the black and white kids. But there was nothing illegal going on before the year 2000-2012.
Pam October 04, 2012 at 12:20 AM
You people act like all this violence is new. No it is not. it's been going on for a long time. it just didn't hit the news as much as it does now.
The Milk Man October 04, 2012 at 03:40 AM
No - most are afraid of being labeled bigots or racist or worse, being physically retaliated against. How many people were verbally shouted down during the discussions regarding the Woodin Street fence?
vegas, v October 05, 2012 at 05:30 PM
I wish I sold my house 7 years ago, a murder every other week and shit like this on a daily basis, Welcome to New Haven Hamden!!!!!!!!!!
QWERTY October 07, 2012 at 12:46 AM
Wasn't Hamden voted 'best place to live'? Who did town officials pay off?
Joe Blow October 07, 2012 at 04:03 PM
Google "black mob violence" for your answer. Call me "racist" I don't care, it's reality.
Robert Chambers October 08, 2012 at 02:41 AM
Yah Terrapin, I'm sure the people bringing guns to start trouble at the carnivals are law abiding permittees... what planet are you on? the people with permits have less incidents of armed violence as a whole than police officers and certainly way less than gang members.
Andrew Kaphaem October 08, 2012 at 08:57 AM
Oh yeah, let's use rubber bullets, tasers, and tear gas on a large crowd at a family event where there are individuals of all ages, including young children and elderly. Sure there were some stupid idiots, but when you start using methods like that you're going to end up attacking innocent bystanders as well. Honestly, stupid stuff like this has been done by bored individuals for centuries, and it's not just teenagers. Go back to the 17th century in France where groups of young men would wander the streets at night looking for unescorted women to rape. Heck, go back 10-20 years ago when people would stalk or harass local gay joints, just to entertain themselves. Actually, thinking about it, both of those examples still happen. Huh. I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's something we should allow, but it's not necessarily surprising. It's not simply bad parenting either, it's a cultural mindset. Honestly, I want to know where everyone else was in this situation. A couple of people speaking up could have likely stopped it from the start. We've got a mindset of "not my problem" and "it's their fault" in our society. Everyone brushes the blame off on someone else, as we're seeing quite a bit in these comments, and isn't willing to step up themselves. Here's an idea? Everyone in Hamden that's concerned about this, form a civilian event watch. Next year, have people at the event maintaining an eye and trained in deescalation if needed.
Craig Zac October 12, 2012 at 12:43 PM
If the "Innocent" folks would just unite a little, this crap wont happen, at least not as often... No one wants to help anyone out, its sickening.. ten people will watch a crime go down but only 1 may say or do something while the res think, "good, he's getting involved, now I dont have to..Pheew!" If things were different, these punks would try and mess with some innocent, say, older couple and this couple can say to someone, "Hey, these punks just tried to (or) mugged us!" and people will come to their aid, maybe even grab the punks or hold them till police get there. We, the Civilized, need to step up some, theres not enough cops out there and the ones who are cant be everywhere at once and these punks know this so its up to us as good citizens to do something when something needs doing. Wheres Charles Bronson when we need him1 lol
Craig Zac October 12, 2012 at 12:44 PM
"Best lace To Live".... if your a Punk kid!
Craig Zac October 12, 2012 at 12:48 PM
When I was young this hardly ever happened, most of the "Violence" at the fairs were kids fighting other kids over stupid stuff, like kids from out of town fighting Hamden kids, Frat kids fighting each other, kids fighting over a girl or some other BS reason, it wasn't just random acts of loser punks starting crap with folks who are just out to have a good time. people bring their children there, older folks go to get out, Kids go to have fun... No one needs bored street rats showing up just to act stupid. And this is whats going on all over, they know the average citizen will not fight back so.. they treat us all as prey. We are raising a bunch or predatory psychopaths.
Craig Zac October 12, 2012 at 01:03 PM
........ (continued) ... if thats the case, instead of running kids through a system of just babysitting them for a few hrs after school, how about we teach them what mom and dad cant / dont / wont? Tell them why they see and hear about in the streets is bad, not good, drugs, gangs and such are wrong and dangerous. Going to jail or killing or being known for being a violent street thug isn't making you cool. Theres huge difference between respect and fear, respect is earned and is something to be proud of, feared is not good, it causes envy, notoriety and can get you killed. Teach them, you can be tough, strong, smart and calm and still be cool. If you really want the respect of your peers, do something good, help out the neighborhood, clean it up, make it a safe place for kids, push for better education and get the kids off the street and back into school where insubordination will not be tolerated and with real, strict rules that MUST be followed. if the parents cant do it, the rest of us should, unless we wanna have this type of youth as tomorrows violent adults.
Craig Zac October 12, 2012 at 01:07 PM
Linda, I dont think anyone wants another useless program to try and do something about this problem, I know I dont but. Instead of another program, why not take a few of the older ones and just take then into a different direction. Alot of these kids who are acting like this are just products of their environment. its a mentality they are tough from seeing this stuff on a daily basis. Yes moms and dads need to get and stay involved with Jr's life but thats if theres a dad around and if mom isn't working all day or worse, getting high all day... (continued)
Craig Zac October 12, 2012 at 01:09 PM
Linda, I dont think anyone wants another useless program to try and do something about this problem, I know I dont but. Instead of another program, why not take a few of the older ones and just take then into a different direction. Alot of these kids who are acting like this are just products of their environment. its a mentality they are taught from seeing this stuff on a daily basis. Yes moms and dads need to get and stay involved with Jr's life but thats if theres a dad around and if mom isn't working all day or worse, getting high all day... (continued)
Hamden Tax Payer October 17, 2012 at 06:11 AM
Hamden has become a city like New Haven, when I grew up here it was considered the suburbs. All our freinds use to walk the Hamden Plaza at night and hang around, now if you go out to the plaza you have to have eyes behind your back. I am selling my house because it will never get better living here. They have illegal immigrants that live in all the apartments on Mix Ave. But yet my sister had to fill out a form with her s.s # thats bull. Then go to the Hospital they ask you for your health insurance and the illegals do not even fill out a form. That you could thank the New Haven Mayer for.
Craig Zac October 17, 2012 at 01:01 PM
We used to hang out at the Plaza as well in the early 80's and such. there was never any real trouble... sure, you had some fights between different kids that was usually something carried over from School but there were no muggings or beat dows, no one got jumped or attacked. Everything has changed in Hamden. Yes, you would be best off selling now, your house isnt going to go up in value anytime soon thats for sure! Its sad how a once peaceful town turned into just another "hole".


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